Welcome to...VINTERTAINMENT

Yes, we have a new name!

This episode is a recap of who we are, where we came from, where this podcast came from, what this podcast will be going forward, and a shout-out to our favorite eisodes of the past, so you can cherry pick previous episodes before OBVIOUSLY following us into the future.

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Chapters

• 1:21 Did Our Name Just Change?
• 3:01 In Today's Episode
• 4:19 Who Are We?
• 11:44 Where This Show Came From
• 21:57 Our Fave Episodes (So Go Watch/Listen to 'Em!)
• 42:41 We Are Now VINTERTAINMENT!

Transcript

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Are you not entertained? Yes sir! We'll have a real good time! Dave and I'm Dallas and this is Ventertainment. We have opinions on just about everything. Sometimes those opinions are spot on. Sometimes they go down easier with a glass of wine. This is entertainment. The why. the Are you in the mood for a little entertainment? Then let us, Dallas and Dave, be your guides. Yes, this is the show where we pair wine with entertainment to lute ourselves into thinking you want to hear what we have to say about different pieces of pop culture and art, but know for a fact that you need to hear what we have to say about wine because man, who knows nothing about wine. But listen to this show and you'll soon know something, a little bit of something each episode. Now, before we get started, what did our name just change? Yes, indeed. The show is formerly known as Wine and dot dot dot wine and ellipses. But As mentioned in our previous episode, we discovered the hard way how search engine unfriendly that name was. This show is somewhat unique. It's always been a challenge to name it. We even tried Buzzsprout's custom AI, TaylorMade, to come up with podcast names using best practices. And the results AI came up with were less than stellar. Neither me nor Dallas liked them at all. But thanks to Dallas's brilliant creative mind, we are now called. Ventertainment, it's genius! Where wine and entertainment intersect, it's fucking brilliant, right? A brilliant best friend is still 1,000 times better than shitty fucking AI kids. Remember that. We even posted a video of that moment when we tried the AI names and then Dallas dropped this name on me all in real time. We posted this on our sub stack, which I'm gonna name drop our home base of operations, which you can find at its brand new URL, Ventertainment Studios. That is where you'll find our Substack. Our Substack is where you'll find a directory of all of our episodes, directories of all the wine and entertainment pairings broken down by category, bonus pairings not featured on this podcast, articles on the wine and entertainment industry's guest collabs with other wine and entertainment writers, interactive polls. If you enjoy this podcast whatsoever, you simply must go follow us on Substack. That is at VintertainmentStudios. So today is a special episode. We're going to take a moment to recap who we are, what it is we do here, and what we plan to do going forward. And then we're going to mention our respective favorite episodes, which we think you should go and listen to before next week. But let's start with a thank you to our first poor friends. That's P-O-U-R, get it? Those of you who've been with us from the early days, who witnessed our fumbling, our first iterations, and now watch as we submit who we are and what we do as we, for the final time, we hope, reintroduce ourselves to the worlds of wine and entertainment as Ventertainment. And then to our tasting flight friends. Get it? Those of you who are new here or simply dabbling, please by all means scroll through our previous content selections where we commune, gab, argue with, and praise some absolutely fascinating artists and professionals from all things wine, entertainment, and beyond. In fact, we're about to tell you which episodes we think are the best. of the best and to cherry pick them for you and give you a list where you should start. But just hold on to your quirks because entertainment has big and completely unrealistic aims that threaten to set the worlds of both entertainment and wine on literal fire. Hashtag LA strong by the way. But for now, let's start by talking about who we are. I'm Dallas, a writer, world builder and director who has spent the better part of a decade and a half in and around Hollywood with the entertainment industry. I've either been employed by or created a number of firms including Killing the Grizzly Lit Development Agency, Splice Pictures, Etc. Entertainment, and Miller Anderson Creative from comic books and graphic novels to animation, music, feature film, and television. I've tasted the rainbow and still haven't tired of storytelling. In fact, be prepared for some very interesting things on that front in the not too distant future. My relationship with wine started long ago as my family was filled with fruit winemakers. Fruit wine being a colloquial term given to wines made from non-grape fruits and non-traditional grape varieties. These winemakers were always experimenting and perfecting their wines. And we kids were always tasting. There was always a bottle or ten on a shelf in a back room of various tasty vino concoctions featuring peaches, cherries, grapes, muscadines, and a host of other bases. Eventually my family opened a liquor store where more efficient market wines were on sale. The greater part of my adult life has not been alcohol-centric in any way. In fact, I wasn't really a fan in any significant way, including wine, until a few years ago. But after the death of my father, the death of close friend, and a trip to France, and the months leading up to COVID, I developed a taste for wine. It was the perfect storm of grief, inspiration, and the wine country of France. And as a writer, it was just natural. Eventually, I found my way into wine. My approach to wine is far less academic, though, than traditional culture would like, as I enjoy the lyrical and poetic nature of wine. I enjoy how, depending on the palate, the time of day, the bottle, and innumerable other factors, the experience of wine can differ tremendously. And it's that difference, that variance, that range that I like. As a writer and world builder, I approach wine in the same way I approach new work. I allow the characters to explain, express, and reveal themselves to me, rather than trying to determine which assets and qualities they possess based on some standardized metric or scale. Wine is and will always be a spirit. I honor the spirit of wine by allowing the wine to tell me its story. That's my angle. And a good storyteller always enjoys hearing a good story. And I am Dave. I've been an entertainment industry professional for many years. I've worked in creative development, talent management, editorial, data management for Nielsen. And as a coordinator for Sundance, I was also never into wine in my youth. I was never into drinking either, but became a big fat not wine nerd in my 30s. You know, it's kind of a long story how I got into wine. It actually started this pain management for an injury that I gave myself. And not being into alcohol, had noticed that my pain subsided on the rare occasion I went out for a social cocktail or two. And I was like, ooh, that's a dangerous thought. Let's not follow that too far down the rabbit hole. But I realized that wine was something that had kind of moderate alcohol levels. And so was like, maybe that's something I can control. Like, just have a glass of wine a night. And so I had worked, you know, I'm in the entertainment industry. I have a degree in acting, AKA I waited tables when I was young. I was I worked in restaurants, right? I worked at a restaurant that had a 200 bottle wine list and one three day weekend they had us come in about two hours before the shift started. And over the course of three days, a sommelier that had put together that 200 bottle wine list had this taste almost every single wine on that. List we did not open the opus one fucker, but he did open a lot of the others and To be fair. I just liked almost all of them. They were all like, yeah, I don't I don't get it I just taste like sour grape juice. I don't understand it, but there was one wine It was a David Bruce Petit source David Bruce Petit sera out of California David Bruce the winery is still around he has sadly passed away since They do not produce a petite sera anymore as far as I can tell But I was able to recently I found an old bottle of David Bruce I think was in 1997 and got to try it and that was that was nice to be able to go back to 1997 this would have been around 2000 2001 that I was working this restaurant so that might have been pretty close to win what the bottle vintage probably was that I tasted but it was the first wine that I took a sip of and I thought okay, I if I tried I can see myself liking this. So when I finally had this injury and I was like, maybe I want to have a drink every night, but I don't want a drink drink, right? I just want something gentle because I'm a lightweight and I'm not that into alcohol or alcoholic beverages. So I went to Trader Joe's, started buying every petite sera they had there, which is only like two or three. And then also being one of those people, like I'm this person that every time I go to the grocery store, I want to find like, what is the weird almost borderline stupid cookie flavor or ice cream flavor, like the Whackadoodle flavor that suddenly has come out that's brand new that I've never tried before. I constantly look for the new stuff. I never want to eat the same thing or drink the same thing forever. And so eventually, pretty quickly, actually, I was like, OK, what else is there besides these three Petite Sorras de Trader Joe's? And then I kept drinking and drinking different wines. And eventually, of course, you hit that moment where you're like, OK, what is all this shit? Like, what are these wines? What are all these words on the label? I don't know what any of this is. And I wanted to know because I'm a variety fiend. And so I wanted to know what all this variety was and what it all meant. And now it's been a little over 10 years later. That rabbit hole is thorough. I'm out the other end of the rabbit hole at this point. In fact, just last year, if you've been following us, you already know this, but just last year I passed my W set level three certification in wine. so, while I was with Sundance, actually, when we, we first started this whole thing while I was at Sundance, this wine and something, show with Dallas. And since then I have fully transitioned into wine professionally. I'm very, very new to it, but I have done that. currently work for a winery based in LA and Paso Robles called the Blending Lab. I work their tasting room. I work their membership. And the unique part of the blending lab is they offer wine blending classes, which I now teach. This is a class where we walk you through how to blind taste wines, break them down by acidity, body and sweetness, learn how those work for your palate, and then you begin blending them to find your own custom blend, which you then get to take home at the very end. These aren't classes geared towards professionals in the wine trade. These are classes for anybody. Normally, no one gets to blend wine like this unless they do work. in the wine trade, but you get to learn so much about wine by doing this and when guided by someone who can answer questions, put the pieces together for you, et cetera. So, you know, on that note, let's talk about how this show came about. Indeed, indeed. So to know how the show came about, perhaps a bit of express backstory on how we met is necessary. In the future, our legend will likely be known as Killing the Grizzly Corps as we both relocated to LA around the same time and eventually joined forces in a professional capacity under the banner Killing the Grizzly. At the time, I was working on a massive graphic novel series. And when I say massive, I mean ridiculous. And it will probably never see the light of day because it's so massive. I've still never seen it. It's so true and it's been what 15 years. And I needed a second pair of eyes to give me some perspective. So I placed an ad on that great post board in the sky, Craig's List, and a number of people responded. Lots of people responded in fact, but the only non-sexual response was by, you guessed it, Dave. sent him a... Non-sexual is my name, non-sexual is my game. Hey, wait a minute. Indeed indeed and I sent him a script just as a test to see if he was bonkers because back in those days everyone on craigslist was bonkers and within a week we were exchanging ideas and shockingly much to my chagrin many of his ideas were pretty damn good I have to say and I just like to touch myself. It's an audio podcast. That doesn't work. Nevermind. right, doesn't work. Although we might do some foli at some interesting foli at some point. From there, we bonded over a love of the independent artists across media and shared our obscure collections and tastes. We found a mirror geek in one another. And then we thought, what if we could take these amazing indie creators and build an on-ramp for them into Hollywood? And thus together we founded a first of its kind comic book lit and management agency called Killing the Grizzly. For years, we were the guys as we were. One of the few places that accepted outside of comic book and graphic novel submissions, we co-agented with ICM and sold to companies as diverse as Tokyo Pop, Sony, Image Comics, Dark Horse, Oni Press, and a host of other legendary production companies and labels. As is our way, we saw a mountain and had no choice but to climb it. Eventually, we both settled for far less, shall we say, hustle forward, industry jobs, and interestingly enough, both found our way into wine independent of one another. and eventually realized we had great connections in both entertainment and now a deep interest in wine. We actually had this two year gap where we hadn't gotten together or interacted much at all. And when I found out that Alice had become a big fat wine nerd like me during this interim, I had already been posting these little wine and comic pairings on social media, which had actually received really great responses. Like the comic people were like, this is so cool, wine and comic. I mean, it was, it was something where it's like, no one's doing this at time. This was like two and a half-ish, maybe three years ago at this point. So there was like, now there actually is this little burgeoning like wine and movie wine and something pairing which a lot of I'm assuming I'm gonna call myself younger blood because in the wine world my age is still young. ain't young folks but you know all things comparative but these little younger blood wine folks who are getting into it are having similar epiphanies that I had but at the time there was like Nothing, nothing like this going on online. So I posted these little one in comic pairings. The comic people loved them. Some of the wine people, when I tagged them on it, loved what they were doing. They're like, you paired our wine with a comic. That's really cool. So I have this kernel of an idea, though, for a YouTube show where we did wine and comic pairings. And I essentially strong armed Dallas into making not making me do it solo because I was like I was a little afraid I knew no one else who drank wine. I was in a relationship at the time. She didn't drink any wine. All of my friends were talking about I'm not actually young. They were all like, I can't drink alcohol anymore. I mean, it like across the board. They were all cutting back. They were on diets. They were diabetic. I was like, Jesus, what is happening in my life? I had gotten into wine just as everyone else was falling into the wagon, climbing into the wagon. So our very first sketchy, very low tech, very rough video dropped in late 2022. It was weird, it was wacky, it was awesome. But video also requires so much editing and prep and setup that we were posting only like one to two videos a month while we were doing this quote unquote the wine and comics pairing show on YouTube. I love a handful of those videos, but I also realized pretty quickly that we were not video guys. We didn't have the equipment, the know-how or the editing skills. And I personally wasn't honestly all that interested in learning, like spending all my time and being devoted to learning how to create slick videos. I was more interested in the conversation side of things. But first, before we became a podcast, because we were focused on comics, live streaming was the far more popular format for anything involving that industry. So we moved from pre-recorded video to two to three live streams per week and almost died. We met a lot of great creators this way. mean, truly, they all said they really enjoyed the unique format that we had versus the same old same old interview format that they were doing for all their other live streams. All those prerecorded videos and live streams can all still be found on our YouTube channel, Ventertainment Studios, under the playlist. Yup, yup. I said, do not go watch those. I know they're great honestly they have some of them really hold up surprisingly well. It's just a whole bunch of giggling and umming. In fact, one of the pre-recorded videos, one of our very, second one that we ever did is gonna be one of my all time favorites I'm gonna shout out later and tell everyone to go watch. But you can watch all of this and find all the live streams and all the pre-recorded videos. The pre-recorded videos, there's not much. There's like, I think a dozen, maybe a little more than a dozen. But then the live streams are, like I said, two to three a week for many months. There's a lot of those, there's like of those. But you can find all of that, if you care, if you ever care to, at our YouTube channel of entertainment studios under the playlist, Legacy Wine and Comics Pairing Show. Now, during all this time, my real dream was to get our guests to do a wine pairing, to discuss work that wasn't their own, but something they loved or hated and were passionate about. We would, of course, shout out whoever they were, whatever they had going on for promotion, but then the core subject matter of the show would be about covering a movie TV show, book, comic or music album, anything within the entertainment sphere that the guest wanted to talk about, then we'd pair wines with that. And I thought the ideal format for these would be an audio podcast rather than a YouTube style visual video, because the conversation would be the point. And thus, Wine and was born, both as a podcast and a sub stack. Each episode would finish the ellipsis. So for example, Wine and dot dot dot movies, Speed Racer 2008 or Wine and dot dot dot music, Emotion by Carly Rae Jepsen 2015. then we'd name the special guest if there was one as well. And additionally, I started writing articles on Substack, bonus pairings, thoughts about the wine and entertainment industry. Substack has since become, very much become our home base and the place to follow us, support us and interact with us. And finally, and in short, we have officially rebranded as Ventertainment, a brilliant and much better title. Dave's words, not mine, even though I, of course, naturally came up with it. Ventertainment is still the same podcast that it has always been under the wine and title. It will still be the curious corner of the world where we pair wine with all sorts of entertainment and entertainment experiences. So what changes for you, our audience? Not a lot at the moment. If entertainment will at its core still be what you've come to enjoy about our show, but over time we'll begin to explore new angles and new approaches. For example, we'll be introducing conversations about current challenges faced by both the entertainment and wine industries and plans for much, much more. And if you're as annoyed by name changes as I am, just take into consideration that we were almost called Wine Daddies. That's right. daddies. There is a world where you would have to justify unironically listening to an obnoxious podcast called Wine Daddies. So you'll take care of entertainment and you will love it as we do. And as always, thank you for taking this crazy little ride with us. I will say though, Dallas still threatens that we will have a shop called Wine Daddy's one of the... It's probably gonna happen. That's not like for me, I wanna have, okay, my pie in the sky dream, I'm gonna say it here on the podcast once. I say once and only once, but I'm probably gonna drop this all the time. But I wanna do a wine shop where it's like, well, my true pie in the sky is like a wine shop that carries wines from all 50 states in America. That's a solid idea, solid idea. It's a solid idea. Our distribution system would fuck that up. Things have to change. I think I need to dig deeper into that. But that sounds horrifically difficult to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe what I could do is like an odd duck wine shop where it's like all wines that you didn't realize existed, you've never heard of. Like you want your Cabernet? We ain't got no stinking Cabernet. But you know, we'll have Cabernet like things and we'll tell you what they are. I mean, again, the worst business plans in the world, right? yeah, 100%. Nothing that people have ever heard of or ever thought they'd want to drink, that's us coming to our shop. Maybe we can get the patriotic buy though, right? There you all American, all American, something like that. Okay, folks. So right now, what we're gonna do to wrap this up today is we're gonna shout out our favorite episodes of both our legacy shows and our, when we were YNAN, so our last season and change. before we just rebranded, just so you know, if you're new to us, if you're finding us with this episode, you have a few things that, you know, curated by us that we're very proud of that we think start there, listen to those, then come rejoin us next week as we continue on down this entertainment path. So Dallas, name one, name your first episode that is your I'm going to say, and I hate using the word favorite, all of these babies are our favorite for sure. But this is just a great sampling, a great flight, if you will, of are all our children and we love you even if we're disappointed in you. Stop it. Anyway, I'm going to start with the speed racer episode with Justin. our very first Under the Name Wine and our first podcast. man, that was such a great episode. And I'll tell you why. The reason it was such a great episode was because it forced me to go back and review this film through different eyes, right? First of all, the eyes of a person who'd just been drinking a half bottle of wine, which is always good when you're revisiting something. on top of that, having Justin's perspective on the film In the course of the conversation we had, we dug up so much trivia about the film, about the making of the film, about the theories behind the film. And if I'm honest, this film was so much better and so much more interesting a decade later than I gave it credit for. And it all came out in the course of this episode. So I would say start there. That's probably a great A great little amuse-bouche into what we do here. Yeah. What about you Dave? So I'm gonna start, I'm gonna go way back. Let's start with the oldest that I'm gonna shout out. I have two episodes from our prerecorded video days that I think are well worth everyone's time, because they're quite unique, especially unique for us. our very first, really the only one that we pulled off successfully, our blind tasting of Barolo. Okay, that one too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah It worked so well. We tried it again with Riojas and we filmed it on this camera that was insane and it took us forever to actually do the edit and kind of go off. We did a seven-year-old blonde flying tasting that like the footage just never came together either. But this one, this is the one that worked. And it was our second ever anything that we ever attempted to do. I will have a link down below in the description of this episode directly to that YouTube channel. Look guys, it's not slick. It's just us sitting on a couch. drinking. It is well edited, I think, but we do six Barolo's to budget one middle of the road, about thirty dollars a bottle and then too expensive. And we blind taste and rank them. And there were a few upsets in that ranking system that was quite surprising. And then we of course, paired it with comics at the time. So we're like, what do you drink Barolo with? And we each picked a comic and said so. And then, of course. ranked all these. I still think that's one of the best things we've ever done. And it was so early. Beginner's luck, right? We like almost never recaptured that again. It was pure. was so pure and was so earnest and so honest. Yeah. And it is, you will see the origins of Dave and I, our energy together, cause it is a weird thing where, I call it being in the sandbox. Sometimes he and I just end up being the only people in the room geeking out to whatever the fuck we're talking about. And that's essentially what this episode is. So yeah. And then the other one I'm gonna shout out from the old legacy show is when we interviewed Bad Kids Press. And the two, got to interview the publisher and then one of the main creators there. had each done their own comic at Bad Kids Press. Bad Kids Press is a small, it's a comic shop and a small publishing house for comics. They do creator owned titles and they had two titles, Frankenrocker and the Jailbait Punks. and the other one, the Galactic Federation of Wrestling or GWF. And they both had wines that they had. They worked with a wine company to like we're going to source. were the Frankenrocker one was a Vin de Pai from France. And then the jailbait punk was a Cote de Rhone. Right. And they they were both honestly like good. They were. They they were not I mean, anyone who's had been to pie like, mean, they're not mind blowing, but they're very good, especially for the price. These are both like $15 bottles of wine of red wine. And they were branded like it was the Frankenrocker wine and the red menace who's the character. Yeah. In the GWF. And I'd never seen a comic branded like officially wine before. And that was so we interviewed them. We interviewed how that came about, how those wines came to be. Now they are in I'm gonna say Minneapolis. Yeah, Or Minnesota, I'm gonna forget. I'm gonna forget. Go check, we'll have links again to these episodes. It's two parts, because we interviewed two different people about each of these wines and their respective comics and the wine that goes with it. We tasted the wine, we talk about it on the episode, we talk about the comic, we talk about how their relationship and partnership to make these wines came to be. And I just thought that was so unique. We've never stumbled across anything quite like that since. So definitely check those guys out. yeah, I was going to say, though, whatever city they're in, whatever state they're in, you can find out if you watch these videos. But it's in a place where it's like they can't they're not allowed. But legally, it's one of those states where it's like you can't ship out of state like they can't send you the wine. We had to they sent it to us as samples because you're allowed to send the press samples. So those were our first press samples, too. They were. They were. Because that was the only way to get our hands on them. So unfortunately, a lot of you won't be able to get your hands on them because you can't buy it. They cannot send them to you, at least currently with the current distributor. But they're hoping to find distributors for other states. that see, this is why my wine shop carrying wines from all 50 states, our three tier system is so fucked up that it's kind of a problem. But anyways, those are my that's my first shout out Dallas next for you. I'm gonna go next with, yeah, we'll go with La Revancha Del Tango from the Gotem Project with Kate Rushell. If you guys have not listened to that episode, it's Two part episode. Actually, yeah, that's right, two part episode. essentially Kate chose the album, right? She chose that album, yeah, she did. It was such a great conversation. She had such great insight, a great connection to the album. It made me a fan. remember it was a callback for me because I remember one of their songs, which was rather ubiquitous, and it was on this album. I didn't know where it was from. And so sort of a full circle moment there. Yeah, great episode. Two parter. I would highly recommend you. pour glass of wine and listen to this album from start to finish. And yeah. Yeah, the album blew me away too. I was really happy when she chose it. Before she chose it, I had already stumbled across her sub stack, which by the way, survives on wine. Oh, yes. You can find her. But you can also go check out those episodes. All that information is there as well. And she had already posted a wine and recipe and album pairing. And this album was that album. And I loved it. I'd never heard of the guys before the Gotan project, which is Tango backwards, by the way, guys. That's right. Or not not quite. Go. It's a what the two syllables remix like switched, right? So go tank tank go, right? Yeah. So yeah. All right. For me, I'm next going to shout out once again, I got to do kind of a two in one because it's my thing, right? That's that's being on brand for me always. You know what? could never just pick one. Yes, I got to do the two episodes we've done Carly Rae Jepsen albums on one with a long time online friend, screenwriter Mark Palermo, screenwriter of detention. If you've never seen the movie, the horror black comedy genre mashup detention from 2011, go check that out. It's one of my all time favorite movies. Five stars on the letter like 10 out of 10, 100 out of 100, whatever you want to call it. It is an incredible. wacky as shit movie that you unlike anything you've ever quite seen before trust me get past the first 10 minutes at first it looks like something you've seen before keep watching it is not but we did one with mark and mark had i we had kind of bonded online because we're both carly ray jeppson fans in later life like we didn't know who she was and then all of a sudden uh we we her emotion album from 2015 is one that we talked to mark about And this was one of the things when we started the podcast and all through the Wine and Comics pairing show, when I was thinking, ooh, I want to expand beyond comics. This was a pie in the sky thing to bring Mark on and talk Carly Rae Jepsen's emotion album. was a it was one of my bucket list items that I wanted to do with this podcast. And the fact that we did it right away in season one, which I knew we would. But nevertheless, it was kind of dream come true in that regard. So I had I'm so happy about that. And then a comic creator, Anas Abdulik, who we had met on the One in Comics pairing show was also a Carly Rae Jepsen fan. So we also talked to him about her dedicated album, The Follow-Up to Emotion. And one day we will cover all of Carly Rae's discography eventually. Those were the two that we did for season one and you should go check out both of Okay, Dallas, what do you got next? All right, I'm to go with Shin Godzilla and Godzilla versus Kong with Striker Reese. At my core, I'm a Kaiju guy and I loved our sort of not even comparison, but our, you know, our sort of side by side of these experiences of these features. Striker had some great commentary, had some great ideas. We learned lots of great trivia. And mostly in that episode, I came away sort of I guess the audience also came away because I had a few people listen to it and we had some conversations. Understanding the sort of socio-political sort of background of the Godzilla mythos. And it was made a bit more evident for them when they listened to this episode, particularly when we sort of contrasted these two films. So definitely go check that one out. Yeah, how about you, Dave? All right. Yeah. And Striker Reese, anime and wine is what he's known as, where he always puts anime and wine together. He has website, Instagram account. Go check that guy out. He's very, very cool. wine professional. Yeah. But then that was his fun thing. Like we did one in comics. He did one in anime. I was like, oh, fucking perfect. We have to have this guy on. Yeah. Next for me, I think I'm going to choose our episode where we covered the be knighted. novel by J.B. Priestley was our first novel we ever did on the show. And I think the it's one of those things where like when I was editing the conversation, the conversation was a really good one. It flowed. wasn't over long. We stayed right on topic. We had a lot of interesting things to say both about the novel, the movie that is probably more famous novel, at least in America. The comparison contrast between the movie and the novel, even though that wasn't something we meant to do, but we wound up having that conversation anyway. And it was a great one. The wine pairings, I thought were so on point. was just it was a little chef's kiss. And it was just the two of us, no guest on that one. But it was one of those conversations where I was just like this. If this can be every episode, we're fucking golden. It has not been every episode. So but that is the goal. That is the one where I look back on and I'm like, yeah, that I want to return to that as often as we can. next for you. Next for me is going to be the epic live stream with fair gray and Blake. That's Richard fair gray and Blake's buzz The one live stream we're going to shout out here. Because it was obscene. this one because it's just it's fascinating. Give it to him. Yeah, so Richard Faragrave is a comic creator. He had been on a couple of times before. And this time he was like, what's the longest live stream you've ever done? And I was like, I don't know. He's like, how long do you think you can go? was like, don't know. And so we got on this one evening and it went four and a half hours long. It's all online. It's still there. It's on our YouTube channel. I started the episode and I had to check out at like hour two for a prior commitment. And of course, as I'm heading out, they're like still talking. And I don't hear from Dave until the next day. And I hear, yeah, we went like four hours. And I was like, what? And someone took Dallas's place, right? Someone in the chat, Blake Morgan from Blake's Buzz, who's also, he has a Substack, he's also on Substack, he's on YouTube, he has his own review show, he was a big live streamer as well at the time, and he in the office. ranting by the way. Blake is known for his ranting. Brilliant rants though. So you should definitely go check this stuff out. But he was in the chat session at the time and he's like, you need someone else to come on? I was like, yeah, okay. So I quickly sent him the link at the time we were using StreamYard. I was like, yeah, here's a StreamYard link, come on, boy. He came on, we were still a foursome at that point or a threesome. I guess. then we just, yeah, we went and went and went. And it's so funny, the next time Richard was on the live stream show, which did happen like a month or two later, and we were like, yeah, we're not doing that again. But we just did a normal kind of timed like one and a half ish hour live stream. But halfway through, saw me kind of, went, there was something on my bookshelf behind me that I wanted to go get. So I turned around and went and got it and brought it back to the screen. And it was the first time Richard suddenly was like, wait, Dave. Are you standing? And I was like, yeah, it's a standing desk. I'm always standing. And he suddenly did the home alone, both hands on both sides of his face. And he was like, you stood there all four and a half hours on that live stream. I was like, yeah, yeah, I did. And he's like, I'm so sorry. I didn't know. And I was like, yeah, guess I always think it looks like I'm standing. But I guess when you're head and shoulders, I guess people really can't tell. But yeah, was by the end of that live stream, I was shifting so much. was like one leg up on the desk, the next leg up on the desk, now one leg behind me. Now I'm in a wide horse stance. Now I'm in a narrow little. I was just like, oh God, I'm dying. I'm dying. This is too much standing in one place, right? You're not moving really. So yeah, you know, that epic live stream, we will have a link down below again. You can at least click through it and see the different stages of insanity. by the time, how loopy we were by the end of it, I'm not even sure we were making sense by the final half hour. All right. Oh yeah, that's one of yours too, Dave. Oh yeah, that's totally one of yours as well. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, you brought it up. I'll go real quick, then I'll hand it right back to you. you know what? Speaking of Richard Faragray, our two parter on Batman Returns here on the YNAMN podcast. That one is we did a deep dive on that movie. We compared all the mini script iterations with each other. The original by Sam Ham, who wrote the original Tim Burton Batman. But his script was eventually almost entirely done away with. Dan Waters' first draft, and then the rewrites by the Swick fella who came in. And then Dan Waters, we have lots of quotes from him about the whole experience and how it worked. The making of, we have these great tidbits about the Robin character who was cut ultimately from the film. He didn't show up until the fourth film. But in the second film, it was... Which Wayans brother was it? Not Jamie Wayans, not Damon Wayans. Marlon Wayans. Marlon Wayans was going to be Robin. There was an action figure that was made and then repainted to be a white Robin, but still kind of had Marlon Wayans' do with his hair. And so there was lots of fun tidbits about that. We went really deep into the Batman Returns movie. It's a two parter, each one a little over an hour, but really well worth your time. I'm really proud of that. that single episode that became two episodes. Okay, Dallas, back to you. So Concrete Park is a piece by Tony Puryear and Erika Alexander, who are formerly married, but they're still production partners. Erika Alexander, if anyone knows, she was an actress. She was starred on a show called Living Single, which has been noted as the premise that was stolen, allegedly for Friends. But it's a great, very funny show starring Queen Latifah and Erika Alexander from the 90s, I believe. But they wrote this piece called Crong Creek Park and it's just a little bit. You're calling it a piece, what is it? Oh, sorry, it's a graphic novel, people. It's a... There you go. I'm like, you're not, it's like, it's a piece. And I'm like, dude, come on, comic graphic novel, tell them what it. That's a testament to the fact that we've moved on from just comics and on graphic novels in our office. But Concrete Park, is a great little piece. Or an urban setting. It's one of those pieces, I rarely ever explain what it's about because I want people to kind of just wade through it because it just unfolds so much. Like it's just so, so good and the world's so fun. so realized. And it has a great backbone, great heart. yeah, just kind of great. different. It's got recognizable hallmarks, but it is unique. Yeah, great voice, great everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it, Dave. Well, I'll wrap this up with, I'm gonna shout out the episode where we covered the movie Moon with special guest Jessica Mason, who is also a writer, graphic novelist, novelist and filmmaker in her own right. And I actually learned she was a filmmaker on this episode when she told us about, like she picked Moon because she was obsessed with any story about doppelgangers or doubles of some kind. And then she's like, yeah, I made my own. doppelganger movie, like very indie, ultra low budget, which I have since purchased on Amazon. And so now I have a copy for myself. I still haven't watched it, but I need to. And Moon, we also, I thought that was a great conversation. The wine pairings again, really on point. Even Jessica's pairing is really on point. I loved what she came up with. We got deep into the making of Moon and some really great tidbits there. And of course it's part of a loose trilogy. by director Duncan Jones. And hopefully we'll have Jessica on this season to do the second one, which is Mute, the Netflix original. That is technically a sequel to Moon. And even shows Sam Rockwell's character in Moon makes an appearance. And you to see the fate of his character after the end of Moon, if you watch this movie. So we're going to cover that. And then the third, which is a graphic novel, which is the third part of the trilogy, someday as well with Jessica. Yeah, that one also just really saying and believe me, guys, there are so many more episodes I want to show, like just standing here listening like our home for the holidays holiday episode. I like our election movie is really great. The Civil War is album that did to Maria Banson, the Sex Criminals graphic novel conversation. That was the other conversation that I thought as a conversation just between the two of us. I was like, this thing's this this went really well. But I be knighted beat it out by hair and I'm trying not to shout every fucking episode out, right? We love our babies. We love our babies That's right. But folks there will be links to go check out all these episodes down below Go check them out As whichever one whichever ones sounded interesting to you, but we're gonna call it here today We are now of entertainment. Are you not ventertained? It's been entertained! There we go. But we will be back in one week with another wine and entertainment pairing for your Vintertainment. the new closing catchphrase. Dallas has given me this look like, don't know how much I like that, but I don't care. That's our new closing phrase. But I have a little bit more. I'm still, we're going to have some, this is going to be a little bit, we have rebranded fully, but like a new opening theme song is in the works. It might be ready. By the time this episode drops, it might not, it might be next week, it might not, but it's in the works. And so we're very excited about everything we have coming up going forward. We still have some very exciting wine and entertainment conversations that are already planned, already booked on the calendar. We have some epic, we still have our epic non-alcoholic wine tasting, which we're about to do within a couple of weeks here. which will also be featured. We'll do an episode here on the podcast talking about it, though it will be a video as well on YouTube. We're probably going to do the video to see the tasting and then a podcast episode to quickly dissect kind of the autopsy of how it went, which we'll do here on the pod. But so much coming up. Thanks so much for listening. If you've been with us from the beginning, thank you so much for listening. You are a super fan in our eyes. And once again, follow us on Substack because man, we can... We would love to see you there. That's where we are more often than just this podcast. And we will see you next time. Ciao for now, folks. 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